18 November 2009
Group 4 – Cluster Focus: History
Greetings classmates! Overall, our group enjoyed watching the video clips and felt they all had something thoughtful to say about the Bible and faith from a historical perspective.
Clip 1: Appears to be a historical-critical view of the Bible, perhaps in search of the historical Jesus. It tells a piece of what the Jewish community of the 1st century might have been like, according to archeological evidence.
Clip 2 (Veggie Tales): Is a Biblical paraphrase of Solomon, applied directly to the character’s life.
Clip 3 (The Simpsons): is about a church that sells out – a corrupt pastor and congregation don’t mind having ridiculous gimmicks in the church. The hyperbole makes the church selling itself out so absurd that it’s supposed to force the viewer to think about what church actually means. Lisa is the devout follower who stands up to corruption. This idea could be a satire of the prosperity gospel. In the “Simpson’s” clip, the current and past church is represented using the church of today to look a lot like the Temple during Christ’s life.
Clip 4 (American Idol): The American Idol contestants sing “Shout to the Lord.” In viewing this clip in a historical context, we wondered if the contestants were actually Christian – and we suspected that the producers of American Idol were probably trying to appeal more to the Christian audience, which could turn some people off.
Clip 5 (John Stewart): This clip poked fun at Bush and made fun of God for being on the side of conservatives.
Clip 6: The girl wants to make the Bible make sense. Her history is not one engaged with the Bible, and as she encounters it now for the first time, it doesn’t make sense with what she already knows. The other character’s history contrasts with hers, as he has a deep history of faith.
Clip 7 (West Wing): The man claims seeks refuge from his country based on his Christian beliefs. The president clearly has an experience of the facts of religion, but not the faith. The man, on the other hand, has a history both of faith and with the scripture and facts. This story represents the history of victimization of Christians and what is endured by cultures that seek to diminish any presence of Christian faith. The message being justified by faith is clearly given in this clip.
The clips were brought forward differently by each creator, perhaps as one group member suggested because it represented the issues that were being addressed at the time the video was produced. The seven video clips are quite interesting and unique in their approach to preaching or telling what the producer sees as a story of God that he/she wants their audience to see. In the first clip, the video does a good job of giving simple facts to set up the potential challenges to Jesus’ birth location, perhaps a viewer would get more information out of the clip if they had some Biblical/historical knowledge. However, in the second clip, a segment of a “Veggie Tales” movie, young children with very little knowledge could get a lesson out of the clip, without having any prior knowledge/history to engage them; in the third clip, if you are not familiar with church and take a comical look at some of the actions done by the character “Mr. Burns”, then there was concern that a viewer could walk away with thinking this was all that church was about and not see the comical/sarcastic commentary that is really happening.
One group member said that as a person who loves it when faith is talked about in the secular world, she was okay with the messages given of God in the video clips. However, many people who are not part of organized religion think that what is being portrayed in the John Stewart clip is what most churches believe and act.
What learning emerges from history? In these seven clips, one group member saw seven different lessons that can be done regarding what is said/done in these movie clips. Obviously when the Simpson or Comedy Central clip are played, one would want to challenge what is said and have a further discussion. One group member, who is a former television and documentary producer, noted that a producer assumes their audience, in general, doesn’t have more than the basic knowledge – is that enough in viewing these seven different clips?
One group member felt that someone would get a lot more out of the clips if they already had a foundation of Bible and faith when they viewed the clips. Another group member said that in general, we can use our history, both corporate and individual, in order to make decisions and create our sense of self. All of the video clips had elements that an educational leader would want to challenge and shape in a different direction.
Using Mary Boys’ grid of questions, we saw that the messages of these clips speak both about faith and what it is to be religious. The message given of the church, which is often what is thought to be religion, is not favorable. Both the Simpsons and Stewart representations are negative. But the message of faith is given through the messages of “The West Wing” and the little girl of the Simpsons, as well as the “River Tam” clip. In all of these clips, it’s faith alone that is most important part of being a Child of God.
Answering the second question of Boys, “What does it seem to mean to educate in faith?’, one group member looks to the area of Knowledge. In ”West Wing” and “River Tam”, as well as the “Simpsons”, it’s the depth of knowing that springs forth the doing. It is the basic understanding of what the Bible says, looking at it with open innocence, that these people represented were able to do.
Another group member was struck by Boy’s question regarding the goal of education and what the producers of the video were trying to accomplish. And another group member responded that to be religious is to have faith in something, which cannot be proven and to also have that faith flow into actions. Without either, one is not religious. As she stated, to educate in faith is to teach a person about the history of faith as well about personal discipline or discipleship…and it requires that one guide the person in experience of the religious.
What is the most important learning goal of the educational leader? Understanding the history of those who are teaching and receiving the teaching is important. Where the teacher is coming from and what is being taught is important. As well, based on their contribution what is the receiver learning. And we need to remember that history repeats itself, from Biblical to present times.
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19 November 2009 at 7:27 pm
Frieda says...
The comment from the group member who responded that to be religious is to have faith in something, which cannot be proven and to also have that faith flow into actions really gets to the heart of religious education. By that standard, Lisa in the Simpsons clip really is religious in exposing the commercialism of the church and even in separating herself though some think she should stay and try to change the “congregation.” These clips show the power of the media to shape public opinion on matters of which they may have little knowledge and these clips do not present a balanced view of their topics. In the past people had more sense of history.
19 November 2009 at 11:18 pm
When I think about the Simpson’s clip, I begin to wonder about Lisa’s history and what she brings into “the room.” How does she know to argue that what is happening is wrong and yet her family does not see a problem. What is her history that she can use the words to express why it is wrong. How about the producers of American Idol. What history does the producer have that might have encouraged “him” or “her” to include a Christian song in the form of a production to prime time television. And Jon Stewart – why such a satirical attack on Dobson? (not that I agree with Dobson) Was there something from his past that kicked this wide open for him? Great job!!! Thanks for making me think about this from the “history” perspective.
20 November 2009 at 12:28 am
You say that the Simpsons clip and the John Stewart clip are negative, and that many people not involved in organized religion think that is how most churches act and believe. In terms of history, which is the focus of this group’s post, I feel a need to ask what part of Christian history leads people to believe these things about Christians and church? Generally speaking, these sorts of conceptions have some basis in fact or reality at some point, and I would be willing to raise the challenge that sometimes their perceptions are somewhat accurate. What can we do to change these perceptions, and how to we seek understanding in our own actions so that we recognize where they have come from? Sometimes listening to the outside perspectives can bring some clarity to our own actions and history and give us new perspectives.
Great post, thanks for the thoughts and thought provocation!
-Elise
20 November 2009 at 5:55 pm
As part of Group 4 I will try to answer the question about what part of Christian history leads believe these things about Christians and church? Well, in studying early church history this semester, I have found that there have been multiple times in history where people believe the church is something its not and therefore act against it according to what they perceive to be the truth. Taking a look at a more current situation, such as the one posed in the Simpsons video clip, I think it would be fair to say that over the last few decades as the various religions have experienced tensions within their own denomination and also had disagreement with other religions, the media has covered these events, influencing how the general public views a particular church. Also, unfortunately, there have been a few mega-churches with leaders that have led extravagant lifestyle which the media has covered. When I think of history and its influence on faith and spirituality – I think of it in terms of yesterday, last month and/or a hundred years ago, there are many influences from various historical times that we as church leaders need to be aware of and also address. I hope this helps answer some of the above questions.
Thanks for the great questions!
Blessings!
Hope
20 November 2009 at 6:38 pm
I found it somewhat surprising that the John Stewart clip and the Simpsons clip seemed to expect that the audience had a certain amount of history and biblical knowledge. I would think that many people would not get the references that were made. I thought that it was cool that they would assume enough of the viewers to have a certain amount of Biblical/religious knowledge/history enough to consider including these bits in their shows.
21 November 2009 at 12:36 am
I was intrigued by your thoughts on faith and religion. I had taken note as well that the “West Wing” clip and the “River Tam” clip and Lisa in the “Simpsons” clip, all focus on faith. They each, in their own way, are focused on not getting caught up in the details, but rather focusing on the larger picture. In contrast, some of the other clips focus on one detail and the accuracy of that one detail, which works to diminish the faith. Our reading for the week speaks to this, and that the Bible is a book about Jesus and our relationship with Jesus.