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Group four: Ritual

In group 4 this week we evaluated seven video songs, Alan Jackson’s “Where were You,” Sarah McLachalan’s “Ordinary Miracle,” Blackeyed Peas’ “Where is the love,” Bruce Springsteen’s “My City of Ruin,” Randy Newman’s “God’s Song,” KanYe West’s “Jesus Walks,” and Brandi Carlile’s “Gray’s Anatomy.” Our focus was to distinguish Christian prayer, Christian rituals and other human rituals contained within these songs. These pop artists gave us a challenge in the week’s communications as a group.

The group thought that these videos might be used by a pastor or other church leader to help parishioners make sound choices when obtaining music for their families. I think we all indicated in one way or another that through prayer or other communicates with God these songs seek for answers to the problematic state of our country.

Alan Jackson quoted scripture in his song “Where were you” from 1 Corinthians 13: 13, “But now abide faith, hope and love, these three; but the greatest of these is love.” A ritual is a practice, service or procedure done as a rite, especially in regular intervals. In Jackson’s song the ritual of love was highlighted as it pertains to the tragedy and aftermath of the 9-11 attack on the Twin Towers in New York. Sarah McLachalan’s “Ordinary Miracles pointed to general revelation or ordinary ritual that take place everyday like the raising and setting of the sun, the rain that falls and replenishes and refreshes the earth with water and the birth of a child, which is both ordinary and extra-ordinary as a human ritual.

The Blackeyed Peas’ song “Where is the love” comes full circle with the praying aspect of love for humanity. America cries out for answers when it is attacked by enemies outside our borders, and in like manner there’s an urban or inner city cry as an attack from within on its own makes; “Americans cry out to God for justice.” Bruce Springsteen’s My City of Ruin” lifts-up the ritual of pray for fallen brothers or sister of our land.

Randy Newman’s “God’s Song,” I think we all thought this song was highly disturbing as a song. Randy’s message was mixed-up it was hard to distinguish whether he was saying “God hates humanity or humanity needs God. KanYe West’s “Jesus Walks” here’s another cry to God about the destruction in the urban areas of our nation. Jesus is called on for answers and prayerful words of action are inserted within this song. Brandi Carlile’s song “Gray’s Anatomy,” this Brandi Carlie song used ritual through the use of story telling.  Sharing our stories to each other brings us in community and the opportunity to be in relationship as God would want us to.

All these songs have a prayerful cry to God for judgment and restoration, but true repentance for sin, a broken and contrite heart with humility in obeying God is lacking. It is only the sinful wicked ways of Satan that will make an individual, a group or a nation cry or pray to God for justice, peace and help in times of chaos. Secular songs can become Christian, but can these secular Christianize songs break the grip of sinfulness in our country?

(Published by Mary, on behalf of Carl)

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9 Responses to “Group four: Ritual”

Wendy Harman says...

Can you explain your statement- “It is only the sinful wicked ways of Satan that will make an individual, a group or a nation cry or pray to God for justice, peace and help in times of chaos”? Our lives are full of chaos, and God wants to have a relationship with us, it is natural and good to bring to God our concerns, and to ask Him for the strength to get through. However, it is not fair to only bring to God our concerns and/or only pray to Him in times of struggle, but to pray regularly and also bring Him prayers of thanks.

Stephanie Wolfe says...

I enjoyed seeing the connections to Scripture that you found in Alan Jackson’s song. When first listening to this song I did not make that connection; however, now after reading your post it seems to fit quite well. In your last paragraph there is a mention of “making” some secular songs Christian and the question is posed – “can these secular Christianized songs break the grip of sinfulness in our country?” I’m not quite sure what to think about this. It seems that if we have a Christian life we will tend to see God through some secular songs. We will relate our faith to the songs and find connections that apply to our lives. If someone is not Christian I do not think that they would necessarily see some of the Christian connections. If they are seen, I do not know that some of the aspects would necessarily be held true in their heart. I think that by seeing some secular songs in a Christian light may help to bring light to some of the sinfulness in our country, but I’m not sure it will break the grip of sinfulness.

Amanda Adkins says...

My question comes due to this statement: All these songs have a prayerful cry to God for judgment and restoration, but true repentance for sin, a broken and contrite heart with humility in obeying God is lacking. My question is this, what if these songs are not prayers but instead are a direct result of an agent or producer deciding that it might be profitable to produce such songs like these? We can’t automatically assume that these songs were written due to a prayer to God. Yes we as Christians are able to use these songs to strengthen faith and things of that nature, but I don’t know if you can make the assumption that they are prayerful cries to God. I just don’t know if I really see that connection in that way.

hessma says...

So what you’re saying is that the intent of the artist is the only possible meaning of the song? Or is it possible to imagine that someone might bring a different set of meanings to the song? Think about the differing ways in which people experienced the clip from American Idol last week. And do you think it’s impossible for God to work within someone else’s intention? In other words, perhaps an agent or producer thought it would make money, but God inspired an artist to create something that had a larger impact?

Jacqueline Torfin says...

I appreciated your attention to what was lacking in these songs- “true repentance for sin, a broken and contrite heart with humility in obeying God”. We tend to remember God when we are scared and don’t know where else to turn, in difficult and/or scary times. We want God to be for us, but when life is good we’d rather God stay out so we don’t have to sacrifice our comfort or anything else. Because of this, some Christians claim that bad things happen because God is angry or something and wants to turn us back to him. This is dehumanizing to people and, I believe, false. Maybe Randy Newman’s song has something to do with this line of thinking. You bring up an interesting point about this song too- what is he trying to say? Perhaps stating what seems to be reality on the surface but inviting people to look a little deeper and realize that humans need God, more than we know.

Jacqueline Torfin says...

In reading Mary’s comment above I was reminded of the story of Joseph in Genesis years after his brothers sell him into slavery and they come to him for grain during the famine. He tells them that what they intended for evil, God used for good. God used their intentions of killing him to save their lives. I think God does that in many ways today.

elisestories says...

Adding to this last comment by Jacqueline, from Mary, I was thinking maybe that is kind of the point. God has always used evil intentions for good. The Bible is full of stories like that. If we didn’t believe that, if we thought God was just like ‘well, y’all screwed up my plans so you’re on your own now, good luck fixing that mess’ what would God be? Jesus was the greatest act of God using our messes to make things better, to work good for the world. We have hope because our mistakes do not get the final say.

kaiserdm says...

I like how you point out that we need to be aware of the song choices we make for our families. So many times I think people just focus on what kids watch on TV, but it is also important to focus on what they listen to as well. And although listening to Christian music shouldn’t replace the ritual of studying God’s Word, I do believe it at least exposes people to the scriptures, sometimes without them even recognizing it.

cjoyner001 says...

In response to Amanda Adkins\4 Dec. your are right most of these individual that compose these song have financial gain as their primary motive, but the underlying social problems drives the sales for these song. Amanda, I believe God hears the prayers of truly repenting sinners. I thank God for that, for I was once a serious repenting sinner!

Carl

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